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    A lot of people have asked me in the last few weeks what my big issue with land of the dead is, ive had PM's from a couple of members asking me to explain myself, how can I rank a Romero movie my personal worse movie ever? Well im setting out my points here, before I do so though, I want to point out, this is not open for debate, I dont need persuading and my mind wont be changed. I hate land more than any other zombie movie, that includes night of the living dead 30th anniversary edition, contagium, the day remake, children.. any other piece of shit zombie flick you care to throw out, I rank land worse. Dosnt matter what anybody posts in this topic, you will not change my mind on this matter so don't attempt to. I am simply laying out my reasons, as I have been asked to several times. OK lets begin.

    OK lets start with the setting. The whole setting is wrong, we are lead to believe that this movie takes place 3 years after day of the dead, one of my favourite movies of all time, yet the atmosphere looks like its come from the dawn of the dead time period. Let me elaborate, in Day, you have your survivors in the bunker, they fly 100 miles up and down the coast looking for other survivors and they find zilch. Watching this movie, you really do get a sense that this is the end, this is it, the human race is fucked. Land on the other hand, an entire city has somehow been missed off the zombie map? Your kidding me right? An entire city full of bums and tramps, seriously the lowest of the low, societies bottom rung.. these guys would be the first to die if a zombie apocalypse actually happened, who are more concerned with getting drunk and gambling than they are about the undead horde outside? Yeah right, as if these idiots would survive.. how the hell have a group of bums and tramps got to this city? “what if they weren't tramps before Z-Day?” Were they normal people beforehand and then they reached the city and succumbed to Kaufman rule and happily accepted living as a tramp? Really?...

    Also on the topic of the atmosphere/setting, what's up with the scale? Again using day of the dead as a reference, Logan says that they outnumber humans by around 500,000 to 1. Just take a minute to think about that scale, 500,000 to 1... how many zombies come after the helicopter when they disturb the city at the beginning? Fucking loads... how many engulf the bunker at the end? Fucking loads..... Now in land, how many zombies are attacking the city? What about 20 or 30? WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE REST OF THEM? On a giant zombie vacation? Your seriously expecting me to believe this is 3 years AFTER day, zombies outnumbered humans by 500,000 to 1 and threw massive attacks of hundreds of zombs at whatever survivors there where and now all of a sudden there's only about 30 of them attacking a city? A full city with lights and noise that could be heard for miles away? Seriously? Incredibly stupid stupid stupid Romero.

    Next up is the story, now I have to admit I avoid watching this film whenever I can, it pains me to watch it, so im not 100% up to speed with the story but from what I remember, there's a good guy who is charge of “dead reckoning” (ohh ill get to that) and there is a bad guy, chodo or something.. I always think of the dog from wizard of oz when i hear his name mentioned so from now on ill be referring to him as toto.. they have some kind of rivalry going on i think even though its never explained as they both fetch things for Mr Kaufmann and his city. The good guy wants to leave the city and be a kind of wondering nomad amongst the zombies, although again, its never explained why he dosnt just do this? he needs Kaufmann's permission for some reason which isnt explained.. this movie does that alot, i guess romero didnt have time for explainations.. Anyway toto however, he wants to live in the tower in the middle of the city with all the rich folks and thinks he can buy his way in, but Kaufmann tells him to fuck off, he gets mad and steals dead reckoning, and drives off, letting a huge unstopable group of about 25-30 zombies into the city which the military, which has up to this point survived for 3 years of zombie apocalypsee so they cant say their not experienced, anyway this military cant handle a school group size gang of zombies. Toto then aims some missiles at the city and demands $1,000,000 (ill get to that too) or else he'll blow it up. Then the good guy goes out of the city in a car of some sort, with his crew and gets dead reckoning back, saving the day.

    Am I the only one who thinks that is absolutely ridiculous? I was writing better stories in primary school (elementary school to you Americans) and this has come from George Romero.. the creator of the holy trilogy of movies. Did he envision this during a seizure of some kind? Seriously.. its tragically bad, it is the single worse storyline ive ever heard for a movie. Fact.

    First off dead reckoning, not only has this city had time to build and fortify itself while the rest of the world falls to pieces and zombies take over, but the inhabitants of said city have had time to build a huge armour plated “big brother of the buses from dawn'04”.. where exactly have they got the materials for this? Where does it get its ammo for its incredible arsenal? Come to think of it, how the hell do they keep it fuelled up? Something that size must get through a good few gallons every mile, its fair enough saying they scavenge it but where and how far must they travel? Its simply not realistic and the movie makes no attempt to explain this, its just there and your expected to accept it. Now you might say im picking too deep, but am I? Look at how far we pick the trilogy every day and how well they stand up to scrutiny.. there are no (or very few) plotholes in the original trilogy and none as gaping huge as this.

    OK dead reckoning. Not realistic.

    Next up is Toto's demand for $1,000,000. my only question with this point is why? In a post apocalyptic world, what use is money? (Think start of day, outside the bank) Why dosnt toto ask for fuel, ammo, food, drink, weapons, armour, vehicles, general supplies.. anything USEFUL.. what the hell is he going to do with $1,000,000? buy a beach condo in Florida? Even if he does want $1,000,000 that badly.. why dosnt he just drive to a bank and grab it? Would be easier.. And I can hear some of you saying “but there would be other cities he could spend it there...” how do you know? When do you see these cities or even hear them mentioned?.. Again i remind you, in DAY, the group flies a helicopter 100 miles north and south and finds nothing at all.. and toto can simply drive to a neighbouring city in a vehicle that must get about half a mile to the gallon with no functioning petrol stations en route? And IF there are and we beleive this much, what makes you think they would use money? Money is used now because its hard to come by, you earn it, steal it or win it.. you dont just find it lying around in the street like you would in a post apocalypse zombie world (think start of day again...) if I was running a city in this kind of atmosphere, and god willing I will be one day, I would not use money as currency, id use something valuable like I listed above... food, drink, ammo, supplies.. anything I could use. Useful things.

    Another ill thought out plot point Romero..

    This post is getting longer than I intended so I have one final point id like to touch on then ill wrap it up, big daddy. LOL

    What the hell is this? I wanna know what Romero was smoking when he thought this would be a good idea. Now let me just point out, as I said before, I love day of the dead and I freaking love bub. Genius idea. The difference? Well bub became domesticated by mimicking Logan and using faint memories that remained in the functioning parts of his brain, which isnt much so I put it down to mimicking behaviour.. although smart for a zombie, bub is still pretty dumb and I like to think of his intelligence as that of a dog. As Rhodes says, Logan is teaching him tricks and he is performing them. Thats my take on bub. Big daddy, first of all has a gay porn star name, secondly.. how exactly has cock daddy developed his intelligence “in the wild”? Never explained. Why only him? Why havnt any other zombies developed this level of thought? Never Explained. Why do other zombies follow him? I've discussed in other topics what I call the herd effect, where one zombie mindlessly follows another creating a herd, but it isnt a Romero based theory and there is no evidence to suggest it occurs in any of the trilogy, apart from maybe zombies following Stephen up to the lair in dawn, so again, never explained.

    Thats my problem with big daddy, potentially another good creation, he had the makings of a advanced bub, but nothing is explained about him.. we're just expected to believe that one zombie, and only 1 out of billions has developed rudimentary intelligence and the ability to lead and it is never damn well explained. Is he supposed to be the zombie equivalent of Jesus or something? Explain it to me George!? Its just baffling.

    Which brings me to my last, and most important point about this movie.. all the points above alone add up to a bad movie, but no-where near as gut wrenchingly awful as land is, so what is the last point that really tips this over the edge?

    George Romero. This is the man who brought me night of the living dead, Dawn of the Dead and Day of the Dead.. this man played a huge part in my childhood and gave me what I hope is a lifelong and joyful obsession some would call it. So imagine my feeling when I heard a new George Romero zombie movie was coming out and I would get to see it in the cinema? Now being born in 1985, this would be the first I get to see in a cinema too.

    And then I see it, and its everything I have stated above. From any other other name, this would be a bad horror movie.. but from George Romero, this is a spectacular disappointment and really made me question my following of zombie movies in general. Some would say thats my own fault for building up such big hopes, but when you think about the mans previous movies IE the holy trilogy “night, dawn and day”, I think I was quite within my rights to build up hopes and dreams. I mean fucking hell when I heard that Romero was making a new movie I was staying awake all night having wet dreams about what it would be like... and I got land.

    That my friends is a mental scar that will never heal.

    So, those are my main reasons for ranking land as my absolute worse zombie movie ever. I don't expect any of you to agree with me and I fully expect some of you to attempt to “win me over” or “prove my points wrong” and your fully welcome to, but I wont be responding.. as I said my points are my own and I havnt posted this with the intention of starting a debate to whether land is a good movie or not, I've posted it simply as its been requested.

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    a nice halloween present from our friend andy.

    while i don't loathe land as much as you, i was totally let down, for many of the reasons you listed above. expectations are a motherfucker, for sure. totally agree with you about the epic fail that is big daddy (gay porn star name) and the stupid plot, i'd never given thought to dead reckoning and the fueling scenario...intersting. and yet another fault of land comes to light.

    while i've ranked land higher on my list than craptagium and NoLD 3D and many other shit zombie movies, i think diary, dawn04, and night 90 rank higher than land. as for surivival, not really liking what i see so far.

    anywho, thanks for sharing, andy. while i wasn't one of those who requested this info, it was a delightful read.
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    Hate Land Much?


    LMAO... All valid points. But my hatred is much more simple and summed up in two words.

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    Land definitely ranks at the bottom of my list. Without going into uber detail, I will state that my feelings stem from its 'mainstream' feel. While I salute any film maker that attempts to bring his work to a wider audience (afterall, what good is it to make a movie if no one is watching it?), in this case, I felt that GAR had simply gone so far beyond his true fan base as to be insulting to them.

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    I Said wouldnt reply to this topic but deadpunk, your signiture cracks me up.

    Forgive my ignorance, what show is that from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DjfunkmasterG View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Hey dont forget im a good decade younger than you guys!

    Youngin...

    Actually almost 1.5 decades younger than I am
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    Damn skippy and awesome post, Andy.

    I agree with you 100% that "LAND" is by far the worst of Romero's zombie flicks. I won't go as far as saying it's the worst zombie movie ever though -- man, have you seen some of Bruno Mattei's stuff? Of course, I'm not really trying to change your mind on your thoughts on it, as I can see where you are coming from entirely. You have bad zombie flicks and you have real bad ones, but if Romero's name is on it and it's bad, well that's far worse than if someone less than Romero comes along and makes a piece of shit. "DIARY", with all its faults, was just a superior film all around compared to "LAND".

    I'm looking forward to seeing "SURVIVAL" -- but I'd honestly be surprised if, even after disliking it after seeing it, it would ever be able to take the cake of dethroning "LAND" as the worse Romero-zombie flick for me.

    I never considered "LAND" to be set 3 years after "DAY", that just seems ridiculous to me. I always pictured "LAND" happening right around the same time-period as "DAWN" or shortly after "DAWN" but long, long before "DAY". To consider the events of "LAND" happening 3-years after "DAY" is just beyond ridiculous. It just doesn't work at all. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, I don't consider "LAND" to be part of the Holy Trinity of zombie flicks (NOTLD, DOTD, and DAY).

    If any of the rest of you want to classify "LAND" as Romero scripture, be my guest, but for me it will always be heretical non-canonical work compared to the Romero scripture of the trilogy. I don't accept it.

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    Land is ok in my book, not great and not totally rubbish, but its like you said it the whole money part that niggles me and does ruin the movie a bit, I mean money in that world could only be useful for 2 things, lighting a fire or wiping you arse.

    Still as a zombie film I still enjoy it more than diary of dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    I Said wouldnt reply to this topic but deadpunk, your signiture cracks me up.

    Forgive my ignorance, what show is that from?
    Hahahaha...yeah, that's a great one huh? I found that by complete accident while surfing photobucket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paranoid101 View Post
    Still as a zombie film I still enjoy it more than diary of dead
    Ditto. The only two things about Land that I dislike are 1. The overuse of celebrities (heck even the midget from Sabrina The Teenage Witch made an appearance) and 2. Big Daddy. Other than that, I don't mind the film at all.

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    Not a huge fan of Land either. . . . but Diary was way worse. . . .way way worse. . . to me(and all right thinking individuals)anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Hey dont forget im a good decade younger than you guys!

    15 years younger than me. one more year and i'll actually start taking you seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clanglee View Post
    Not a huge fan of Land either. . . . but Diary was way worse. . . .way way worse. . . to me(and all right thinking individuals)anyways.
    I never claimed to be "right thinking individual". The fact that I'm here expressing my love of movies about flesh eating zombies proves part of that.

    However, I'm certainly not the only person here that actually enjoyed "DIARY" and thought it was a much more interesting and entertaining film than "LAND". "LAND" just ticks me off, like Andy, every time I see it. The only thing that made that film ("LAND") worth watching to me was Dennis Hopper, who is always enjoyable to watch, and every inch (although not enough inches, ahem) with Asia Argento.

    I'm not saying that "LAND" or "DIARY" are better than any of the original trilogy, I think to do so would be folly like comparing oranges to tangerines, but I thought "DIARY" was just far superior to "LAND", and I'll certainly not make any apologies for that estimation of enjoying films that I have as a person.

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    ---------- Post added at 12:51 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:35 AM ----------

    Actually, Andy, now that I've thought about it, how would you compare "DIARY' V. "LAND", what are your thoughts on "DIARY"?. You've already expressed our almost mutual contempt (and I say almost mutual contempt because I think "LAND" was Romero's weakest zombie flick but I most certainly don't consider it as the worst zombie flick ever) towards "LAND", but what do you think of "DIARY"?

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