 Originally Posted by bassman
That's the most important thing to note, right there. Traveling with known offenders automatically makes him suspicious. On top of that he didn't tell the cop immediately? Having the card in his hand means nothing. For all the cop knew, that was his insurance card. And if you have a weapon in your vehicle(legally), arent you supposed to take out the clip/ammo, lay them on the dash board out of immediate reach, and keep your hands on the wheel? Seems like i've heard that before...
People just hate cops from the start. They can't ever be on the good side. Cops are evil and just out to harm us.  That being said.....maybe he did take it a step too far. But calling for him to be fired? There's no need in that. He didn't beat the guy, ffs.
Dude, the last thing you ever want to do when pulled over by the police is to fiddle around with a pistol - legally carried or not. Keep your hands on the wheel until you are told to do otherwise - do NOT unload your weapon and place it on the dashboard. Cops will likely see a gun in your hand, may perceive you as a threat to themselves or to their fellow officers and unload their weapons on you.
Having reviewed the video, obviously this cop is over the top in his behavior, but I don't believe that it rises to the level of being fired. He does need to be counseled, however, about his anger and maintaining his self control.
That being said, I do think that the driver's story was awfully weak. He is in an area known for prostitution, conversing with a prostitute and a pimp. His cover story about pulling over the car to get a telephone number of a cleaning company sounds pretty ridiculous. More likely that he was trolling the area for streetwalkers - a dumb thing to do in and of itself to be sure but even more stupid while carrying a loaded concealed weapon, permit or not.
He is lucky to have been granted the privilege of carrying a concealed weapon - these permits are nearly impossible to come by in my area - and as a gun owner and a concealed carry permit holder should have used better sense including not picking up hookers and also proactively identifying himself immediately as a permit holder. The attempt he made, to me, appeared to be totally lame as was his excuse for being in an area known for prostitution late at night.
I have had experience with police officers who come off as overbearing and aggressive, so I know that it is not fun dealing with them. But it appears to me that he put himself in a situation that invited scrutiny of the police, and then failed to properly identify himself to the officers as a permit holder which apparently is something that they are required to do. The driver, to me, comes off as a total idiot and as such should not have a concealed carry permit in the first place <-- I say this as a gun owner and a proud member of the NRA.
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Originally Posted by blind2d
Guns are stupid. That is all.
Sorry to disagree with my brother but guns are not stupid but people can be stupid. A gun is nothing more than a tool, and like a screwdriver or a hammer they are manufactured for a specific purpose. But like a hammer or a screwdriver a tool like a gun can be used stupidly, however, with deadly results, depending on how stupid the user might be. And IMO - that driver was all kinds of stupid.
On the other hand, these cops were pretty lax about their personal safety as well, and should undergo some retraining in this regard. Their SOP should have been such that they should have secured the driver (ie. get the driver out of the car with his hands on the hood and searched to ensure that he does not have a weapon that could comprimise everyone's safety) prior to the first cop searching the back seat of the car for contraband. IMO, they are quite lucky that the driver was a relatively harmless idiot carrying a concealed weapon rather than a third striker felon who would do whatever he needed to do to prevent his arrest.
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Originally Posted by Andy
Your also calling for the law which requires you (if your carrying a concealed weapon) to inform the police immediately to be reversed? for real?
i dont think ill ever understand American mentality, seriously. you guys might aswell be from another planet lol
I am a gun owner who thinks that this group's call to repeal this law is asinine. Please don't think that this fringe group or other activist groups are representative of "Americans" any more than PETA or MAMBLA are, as most Americans think those groups are from another planet too.
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Originally Posted by Andy
I hate people who are too quick and too harsh on police, ive always had alot of respect for men and women who do a damned hard job with alot of stress put on them from all sides, maybe the cop took it too far maybe he didnt, i cant honestly say becuase i dont know how i would react in his position but i definatly dont think he should fired in fact i would say its pretty alarmist and anti-police to call for this guy to be fired. The whole tone of the film there and the way its presented actually disturbs me alot more than the behaviour of the cop.
In total agreement with you, my brother! I don't condone the actions of the cop, but I grok where he was coming from.
In my town there are areas where drugs and prostitution are endemic - should you find yourself contacted by the police in those areas after hours you had better have a better excuse than the lame-ass tale this idiot came up with for being there. And if you are also in possession of a weapon you should not wonder why the cops treat you like a scumbag criminal if you have no legitimate reason to be in the area.
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